Tamar Braxton and Kris Jenner: Toni Braxton's Sister and Kim Kardashian's Mom New Talk Shows Off To Rough Start

Two new celebrity talk shows debuted on Monday for the Fox network, because the world needs more celebrity talk shows. On one hand, there's Kris Jenner's "Kris," and the other is "The Real," a multi-host show starring Tamar Braxton, Loni Love, Adrienne Bailon, Jeannie Mai and Tamera Mowry-Housely. According to inside sources, both are off to rough starts. 

Jenner is best known as the mother of Kim Kardashian, a fact that the host understands according to a source speaking with The New York Daily News. The source says producers thinks that Kris name-drops Kim too much and doesn't listen to their suggestions for stage setup. Kris tried to generate buzz for the show's debut (which was actually filmed on Thursday) by appearing with a baby in a promotional photo, suggesting that Kim and rapper Kanye West's baby might make its public debut Monday. The baby in the ad turned out to be someone else's. 

Braxton is the biggest name on "The Real," and she seems to act like it. Tamar is best known as being the younger sister of vocalist Toni Braxton, and has increased her image through the family's reality program "Braxton Family Values." She's also got a celebrity baby of sorts: her own. Her son Logan Herbert was born early in June (Tamar's husband Vincent Herbert is the manager for Lady Gaga). Apparently the host has been holding herself above the rest of the cast. 

The source for the Daily News says that she appeared at "Good Day New York" for a promotional appearance, and rode in a separate vehicle from the other four hosts. Tamar also employs separate hair and makeup people. 

"Tamar wants her own show. She grew up with Toni [Braxton]; she knows what she's doing," the source said.